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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
		<link>http://2ndshotblog.com/2009/03/gun-control/comment-page-1/#comment-25</link>
		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 14:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob &amp; Friends- Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this extrememly throught provoking and impossible to agree on topic... There are certainly two sides to this argument in a world that is far from perfect with no end to the violence in sight.  I too choose not to have a gun in my home with small children present (I've never even held a real gun).  Maybe some day, but I am not willing to take that risk for something that "might", but likely won't, happen. I can only hope that if an intruder ever entered my home that if my 100lb golden didn't scare him off that I'd have the opportunity for instinct and martial art training to kick in!  Bob, I hope none of us ever have to go through the nightmare that you have experienced. It is scary to know that it could happen; however, living in fear is no way to live. Keep the blogs coming!  I hope you are able to find some peace of mind through it.  You are an inspiration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob &amp; Friends- Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this extrememly throught provoking and impossible to agree on topic&#8230; There are certainly two sides to this argument in a world that is far from perfect with no end to the violence in sight.  I too choose not to have a gun in my home with small children present (I&#8217;ve never even held a real gun).  Maybe some day, but I am not willing to take that risk for something that &#8220;might&#8221;, but likely won&#8217;t, happen. I can only hope that if an intruder ever entered my home that if my 100lb golden didn&#8217;t scare him off that I&#8217;d have the opportunity for instinct and martial art training to kick in!  Bob, I hope none of us ever have to go through the nightmare that you have experienced. It is scary to know that it could happen; however, living in fear is no way to live. Keep the blogs coming!  I hope you are able to find some peace of mind through it.  You are an inspiration.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Frangos</title>
		<link>http://2ndshotblog.com/2009/03/gun-control/comment-page-1/#comment-23</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott Frangos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 02:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi -  Thanks to Bob for providing a thought provoking blog.  If there's a common thread on this post comment list, it seems we agree on the need for regulations and respect for weapons.  What will be interesting to learn is how the young man acquired the weapon he used in this case.  Problem is, there are regulations now, and yet a young man was carrying and using a gun illegally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi -  Thanks to Bob for providing a thought provoking blog.  If there&#8217;s a common thread on this post comment list, it seems we agree on the need for regulations and respect for weapons.  What will be interesting to learn is how the young man acquired the weapon he used in this case.  Problem is, there are regulations now, and yet a young man was carrying and using a gun illegally.</p>
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		<title>By: Jordi</title>
		<link>http://2ndshotblog.com/2009/03/gun-control/comment-page-1/#comment-22</link>
		<dc:creator>Jordi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 23:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I found this through TampaBLAB. Just really wanted to throw in my 2 cents. Hope you don't mind.

I am pro-gun for the simple fact that I believe in the power of the common citizen. And this has nothing to do with self-protection. 

Admittedly, I am little extreme in that I do not believe the government should not be more powerful than its citizenry. This includes in weaponry as well. How else could the people overthrow the government if necessary?

Unfortunately, we do not have a "Break in Case of Revolution" box where we can hold enough weaponry to match the might of our government. So until we have that, the people have to hold that power in their closets. That's what a government run by the people means.

Guns are the ultimate insurance against a tyrannical government. See Sweden and Kurdistan as a great examples of armed citizenry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I found this through TampaBLAB. Just really wanted to throw in my 2 cents. Hope you don&#8217;t mind.</p>
<p>I am pro-gun for the simple fact that I believe in the power of the common citizen. And this has nothing to do with self-protection. </p>
<p>Admittedly, I am little extreme in that I do not believe the government should not be more powerful than its citizenry. This includes in weaponry as well. How else could the people overthrow the government if necessary?</p>
<p>Unfortunately, we do not have a &#8220;Break in Case of Revolution&#8221; box where we can hold enough weaponry to match the might of our government. So until we have that, the people have to hold that power in their closets. That&#8217;s what a government run by the people means.</p>
<p>Guns are the ultimate insurance against a tyrannical government. See Sweden and Kurdistan as a great examples of armed citizenry.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruth Agnew</title>
		<link>http://2ndshotblog.com/2009/03/gun-control/comment-page-1/#comment-21</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruth Agnew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob-  I appreciate the time you are taking to do this blog.  I agree with one of the other contributors that this is very therapeutic for you but also helps all of us focus on the issues, too.  I have always been a strong supporter  of gun control, even though my father kept hunting rifles all the time I was growing up. My brother is a licensed fire arms instructor, supports a person's right to own a gun but,also feels proper instruction should be a requirement for ownership.  Keep  the blog coming!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob-  I appreciate the time you are taking to do this blog.  I agree with one of the other contributors that this is very therapeutic for you but also helps all of us focus on the issues, too.  I have always been a strong supporter  of gun control, even though my father kept hunting rifles all the time I was growing up. My brother is a licensed fire arms instructor, supports a person&#8217;s right to own a gun but,also feels proper instruction should be a requirement for ownership.  Keep  the blog coming!</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Brady</title>
		<link>http://2ndshotblog.com/2009/03/gun-control/comment-page-1/#comment-20</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate Brady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 20:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First let me say that I am not advocating the elimination of all guns. I say this not because I think guns are needed, but because I believe guns are such a part of our culture that a prohibition on guns would be no more successful than the prohibition on alcohol was in the last century. 

I do believe that guns should be heavily regulated. Especially handguns.

Scott - I want to comment on some of your points. I agree that it would be useful to look at the cost/benefit of allowing handguns (how often they hurt vs. how often a life is saved). I went online looking for information and found many people making the same point that guns save more lives than they take. I would submit that it is probably impossible to know if this is true. There is no sound way to measure it. A statistic I found in support of the claim turns out to have been produced by extrapolating from data that was gathered using very broad definitions. For example, people were asked if they or someone they knew had stopped a crime with a gun in the last year. It was left to the subject to interpret first if there was the threat of a crime and second that it was the fact of a gun that stopped the crime from happening. It counted someone hearing a noise outside and yelling “go away, I have a gun” as a crime stopped. 

It is true that something could go wrong with a car, but there's an important distinction between a car and a gun. The transportation provided by cars is a great benefit that our society decided is worth the cost (pollution, congestion, lost lives in accidents). A car can kill someone but that is not its purpose.

The purpose of a gun is to kill or cause great injury. That’s it. The reason to own one is to have the power of a gun at your disposal. The reason to own a car is transportation. The reason to own a gun is to kill.

Yes, I understand that maybe that sentence would be more complete if it ended with.”…kill someone who wished to hurt you or your loved ones.” Fair enough. I can see that some people are qualified enough to own a handgun responsibly but it is my impression that far too many more are thrilled by the power of a gun without having the training or judgment to own one. If someone wishes to own a handgun for personal defense I believe they should be required to go through training and meet qualifications for gun ownership that must be renewed every year.

Bob was shot not just because the young man was able to steal a gun from a relative who did not properly secure it, but because that young man wanted to have the power of that gun to hurt someone. We still don't know why he knocked on Bob's door. The police say it was totally random. But having that power he used it on an unarmed man. Did he understand the consequences of his actions?

It's my opinion that the prevalence of guns in our society makes people less aware of the deadly seriousness of a gun. Most people in the U.S. will never find themselves in a situation where a gun will save their lives, but keep one because they want to be able to defend themselves. I must say I remain unconvinced of the need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First let me say that I am not advocating the elimination of all guns. I say this not because I think guns are needed, but because I believe guns are such a part of our culture that a prohibition on guns would be no more successful than the prohibition on alcohol was in the last century. </p>
<p>I do believe that guns should be heavily regulated. Especially handguns.</p>
<p>Scott - I want to comment on some of your points. I agree that it would be useful to look at the cost/benefit of allowing handguns (how often they hurt vs. how often a life is saved). I went online looking for information and found many people making the same point that guns save more lives than they take. I would submit that it is probably impossible to know if this is true. There is no sound way to measure it. A statistic I found in support of the claim turns out to have been produced by extrapolating from data that was gathered using very broad definitions. For example, people were asked if they or someone they knew had stopped a crime with a gun in the last year. It was left to the subject to interpret first if there was the threat of a crime and second that it was the fact of a gun that stopped the crime from happening. It counted someone hearing a noise outside and yelling “go away, I have a gun” as a crime stopped. </p>
<p>It is true that something could go wrong with a car, but there&#8217;s an important distinction between a car and a gun. The transportation provided by cars is a great benefit that our society decided is worth the cost (pollution, congestion, lost lives in accidents). A car can kill someone but that is not its purpose.</p>
<p>The purpose of a gun is to kill or cause great injury. That’s it. The reason to own one is to have the power of a gun at your disposal. The reason to own a car is transportation. The reason to own a gun is to kill.</p>
<p>Yes, I understand that maybe that sentence would be more complete if it ended with.”…kill someone who wished to hurt you or your loved ones.” Fair enough. I can see that some people are qualified enough to own a handgun responsibly but it is my impression that far too many more are thrilled by the power of a gun without having the training or judgment to own one. If someone wishes to own a handgun for personal defense I believe they should be required to go through training and meet qualifications for gun ownership that must be renewed every year.</p>
<p>Bob was shot not just because the young man was able to steal a gun from a relative who did not properly secure it, but because that young man wanted to have the power of that gun to hurt someone. We still don&#8217;t know why he knocked on Bob&#8217;s door. The police say it was totally random. But having that power he used it on an unarmed man. Did he understand the consequences of his actions?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s my opinion that the prevalence of guns in our society makes people less aware of the deadly seriousness of a gun. Most people in the U.S. will never find themselves in a situation where a gun will save their lives, but keep one because they want to be able to defend themselves. I must say I remain unconvinced of the need.</p>
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		<title>By: webfadds</title>
		<link>http://2ndshotblog.com/2009/03/gun-control/comment-page-1/#comment-19</link>
		<dc:creator>webfadds</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 14:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi -

I appreciate the debate on a volatile subject and respect different points of view.

Dan and Av - you make good points, but they only serve to raise questions which lead me to the same conclusion:

Dan:  "Too many things could go wrong.." Ok.  But what about when a gun saves your life in a right circumstance?  Don't we need to weigh that against what could go wrong?  Things could go wrong with driving an automobile, too, or with a pocket knife, etc.

AV:  You seem to be saying our society is more violent.  Two questions:
- In an increasingly violent society isn't it important to be prepared when criminals have, and will get guns, no matter the laws?  

- What do you think about the fact that many other societies around the globe, that have outlawed guns, have murder rates more than 2-3 times that in the US?  World murder percentages (per 100k) show Russia -- where guns are illegal to own -- at 16.5, while the US is at 5.6 -- see Wikipedia article, here:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_homicide_rate

People are violent, with or without the right to bear arms.  Making guns illegal is not shown historically or presently to reduce murder rates. But it has been shown as a way for right meaning people to defend their liberty, dreams and pursuit of happiness.  

Why would anyone want to take away the rights which freed us from crown tyranny?  I just can't wrap my mind around that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi -</p>
<p>I appreciate the debate on a volatile subject and respect different points of view.</p>
<p>Dan and Av - you make good points, but they only serve to raise questions which lead me to the same conclusion:</p>
<p>Dan:  &#8220;Too many things could go wrong..&#8221; Ok.  But what about when a gun saves your life in a right circumstance?  Don&#8217;t we need to weigh that against what could go wrong?  Things could go wrong with driving an automobile, too, or with a pocket knife, etc.</p>
<p>AV:  You seem to be saying our society is more violent.  Two questions:<br />
- In an increasingly violent society isn&#8217;t it important to be prepared when criminals have, and will get guns, no matter the laws?  </p>
<p>- What do you think about the fact that many other societies around the globe, that have outlawed guns, have murder rates more than 2-3 times that in the US?  World murder percentages (per 100k) show Russia &#8212; where guns are illegal to own &#8212; at 16.5, while the US is at 5.6 &#8212; see Wikipedia article, here:  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_homicide_rate" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_homicide_rate</a></p>
<p>People are violent, with or without the right to bear arms.  Making guns illegal is not shown historically or presently to reduce murder rates. But it has been shown as a way for right meaning people to defend their liberty, dreams and pursuit of happiness.  </p>
<p>Why would anyone want to take away the rights which freed us from crown tyranny?  I just can&#8217;t wrap my mind around that.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim Northrop</title>
		<link>http://2ndshotblog.com/2009/03/gun-control/comment-page-1/#comment-18</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim Northrop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 14:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>another great post Bob. Keep 'em coming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>another great post Bob. Keep &#8216;em coming.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://2ndshotblog.com/2009/03/gun-control/comment-page-1/#comment-17</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 13:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We can't put the genie back in the bottle. There are millions of guns in nightstands and glove compartments all over America. I can't change that. Still, for myself, I choose to live a gun-free life.

Thanks Av, Dan and Scott for reasoned and sincere comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We can&#8217;t put the genie back in the bottle. There are millions of guns in nightstands and glove compartments all over America. I can&#8217;t change that. Still, for myself, I choose to live a gun-free life.</p>
<p>Thanks Av, Dan and Scott for reasoned and sincere comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Av Goldstein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Av Goldstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 23:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob, you're doing a great job in unfolding this tale. I hope it's as therapeutic for you to set down and share these details as it is riveting for us to read. Please tell the entire tale, step by step, for however long it takes to close the circle and show the real-life impact of real-life gun violence. 

While gun ownership has indeed been a tradition of American life going back long before the Revolutionary War, current policies don't reflect the profound changes in society, in firearms technology and in the number of gun murders that occur in the U.S. each year. In 2005, 10,100 murders were committed with firearms in the U.S., according to the FBI. That is an incredible cost to our society and an unacceptable price of the freedom to bear arms treasured by gun advocates. 

Our gun laws must change to reflect the realities of the modern world. Or maybe we should follow Chris Rock's advice: Let everyone keep all the damn guns they want, and just ban the manufacture of ammunition. That wouldn't violate anyone's rights under the Second Amendment. 

Bob, I'm definitely looking forward to future posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob, you&#8217;re doing a great job in unfolding this tale. I hope it&#8217;s as therapeutic for you to set down and share these details as it is riveting for us to read. Please tell the entire tale, step by step, for however long it takes to close the circle and show the real-life impact of real-life gun violence. </p>
<p>While gun ownership has indeed been a tradition of American life going back long before the Revolutionary War, current policies don&#8217;t reflect the profound changes in society, in firearms technology and in the number of gun murders that occur in the U.S. each year. In 2005, 10,100 murders were committed with firearms in the U.S., according to the FBI. That is an incredible cost to our society and an unacceptable price of the freedom to bear arms treasured by gun advocates. </p>
<p>Our gun laws must change to reflect the realities of the modern world. Or maybe we should follow Chris Rock&#8217;s advice: Let everyone keep all the damn guns they want, and just ban the manufacture of ammunition. That wouldn&#8217;t violate anyone&#8217;s rights under the Second Amendment. </p>
<p>Bob, I&#8217;m definitely looking forward to future posts.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 21:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, thanks for another thoughtful posting. I've lived as you have. Meaning, I never once considered having a gun in my home. Too many things could go wrong and one mistake ends up as a headline - "Kid Shoots Friend With Father's Gun" - ahh .. no thanks.

There's no perfect answer here, but I just can't seem to get my head around Scott's argument above.

Thanks again for the thought provoking post. Going to twitter this one right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, thanks for another thoughtful posting. I&#8217;ve lived as you have. Meaning, I never once considered having a gun in my home. Too many things could go wrong and one mistake ends up as a headline - &#8220;Kid Shoots Friend With Father&#8217;s Gun&#8221; - ahh .. no thanks.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no perfect answer here, but I just can&#8217;t seem to get my head around Scott&#8217;s argument above.</p>
<p>Thanks again for the thought provoking post. Going to twitter this one right now.</p>
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